Your world with Dr. Beatrice Hyppolite
Hello,
I am Dr. Marie Beatrice Hyppolite. I hold a doctorate in Health Science with emphasis on Global Health and master’s degree in social work. I have over 14 years of experience in the field of health and human services.
This podcast is primarily focused on mental health and the quality-of-life elements that affect it such as divorce, death, domestic violence, trauma, toxic relationships, and single parenthood to name a few. It is no secret that mental health challenges continue to profoundly impact modern society although not enough discussion is given due to stigma. Research has shown an increase of 25 % in mental health crises after COVID-19. It is important to have honest, uncomfortable conversations about mental health while being supportive. Although we are interdependent, change begins with the individual, hence “your world.”
I welcome you to join me on my journey and look forward to your responses.
Your world with Dr. Beatrice Hyppolite
After The Papers: Finding Yourself Again
What if leaving wasn’t the end of a story, but the start of a wiser one? We dive into the complicated truth of divorce—where escaping abuse can be life-saving, yet the aftermath can shake identity, finances, and family rhythms. With Chaplain Dr. Graham Levinston, we draw a clear line on integrity while offering grounded steps for rebuilding: faith that steadies your mind, communities that hold you up, and practical habits that restore confidence day by day.
We get specific about happiness as a practice, not a promise a partner owes you. From joining a book club to volunteering at a pantry, from Zumba to karate to candle-making and baking, we map out how skills become therapy and, sometimes, income. We also confront the affairs trap with unflinching honesty—why secrecy breeds stress, how expectations collide, and what it takes to take responsibility and exit a no-win triangle. Our conversation threads biblical teaching on adultery and covenant with a compassionate call to protect the vulnerable and give couples real tools before crises explode.
Children stand at the center of our concern. We talk about co-parenting presence at school, quiet accountability that reshapes behavior, and routines that give kids a stable horizon. Then we widen the lens: Dr. Levinston shares his ministry work in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, and Rwanda, where churches nourish dignity through micro-enterprise—rabbits, chickens, and pigs—turning local resources into sustainable support for families and congregations. The message throughout is steady and practical: choose honesty, build community, practice your craft, and guard your peace. If this conversation resonates, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs it, and leave a review so more people can find these tools and hope.
Hello everyone, I'm Dr. Beatrice Hippolid, and this is your world. According to research, there are some significant benefits and there are some significant negative impacts on divorce. And I'm gonna start with the benefits. A divorce can relieve someone from a toxic or abusive relationship. So let's say for example, you were in a relationship where you used to get beaten often by your spouse after you divorce that person. So you're doing yourself more like a service than anything else. That can increase autonomy and independence. Divorce offers individuals the opportunity to discover themselves, pursue interest, and develop greater self-awareness, new opportunity for personal growth. Divorce can be a catalyst for personal growth, allowing individuals to learn from experiences, develop resilience, and build new relationships.
SPEAKER_00:With that point, is that when that person decides to divorce that person, let's say uh she has done everything she can. She has said, look, listen, you know, you're beating me, you're drinking, yeah, it's getting worse, and things of that nature. And every time you come home, you know, you're very aggressive towards me and so forth. Um, listen, I think you should already go and try to get into a program, a drug program or something of that nature. And but he's he's coming home and he's beaten her and and oh, so abusive, that abusive this can send her into a mental state. You know, exactly right, and the things that so then she after trying everything she can, and she decides to get a divorce, you know, after getting away from that relationship, it takes a lot for her to try and get her feet back on the road, you know, because remember, it has also affected her mentally, you know, and every little thing she hears, she she she she she jumps, or or or right? So, yes, so that's correct. And on what you said, you know, it's about her now trying to find her P's and Q's back in order.
SPEAKER_01:Or him.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, or him.
SPEAKER_01:Because you know, though research say that more women tend to seek divorce, but sometimes men do file for divorce as well. So and whatever that we are saying here, we want it to be for both men and women.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes. So, so you know, it takes them time to find themselves, you know, back again. They're they're single again, you know, and and and the as we talked about early on, you know, they looked for companionship, somebody that they can talk to at night, or or something of that nature, or go out together. So now they are by themselves. So now they have to try to find organizations that they can visit or they can go and hang out with, you know, um not negative, but you know, positive um people and trying and trying now to find positive social networks that you know they can um sort of reclaim what uh they have lost or what has been taken away from them.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so before I even go and with the negative impacts, I just want to ask a question based on what you just mentioned. I know the companionship, I know, you know, like being somebody that can make you feel good or you want that connection. However, there are women, or you can it's for men as well who sometimes want the happiness to come from that marriage alone. So, how will you address that? Happiness, you know, oftentimes, you know, so I always tell people it is a journey, yeah, it's not a destination, right? And if I'm married, I cannot expect for my husband to be responsible for my happiness. Right. What do I do to create my own happiness? And I hear it way too often. Oh, it doesn't make me happy, it doesn't, but what do you do to make your own self happy? Because if you are a person who tends to be to be not too happy with your own self, that men in your life or that women in your life could have done anything possible, you're still not gonna be happy. Right. Because you don't do things to create your own happiness. How will you act with that?
SPEAKER_00:You see, the the thing about it is you just can't sit down and expect happiness to come to you. You know, one of the most important things you can do is is pray. That's that that's number one. You know, you get yourself um back with God, you know, you ask the Lord for um knowledge, you know, on how to get out of this, you know, on how to grow once again, and so forth. But then it's very important that you find um uh organizations, you know, that you can join, you know, like a book reading club or you know, different types of places that you can go and you can do things. Uh, you can go, you can volunteer at pantries on a Saturday or or or a Wednesday. Um, you can find a church to um go to, you know, start building a positive social network.
SPEAKER_01:Or get involved in two things that can make you happy.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes. If I can, you know, learn how to make candles, yes, you know, and like do, you know, make beautiful candles, yes, you know, for personal use or to to sell make it exactly, you know, and then you you start selling, and some women have done to the point where you go to Zumba class, yoga class, yes, yes, you know. They they they they go and join a karate class, you know, and and get some of that stuff out, you know. I yeah, you know, and start and start breaking uh pieces of wood, you know, with with your hand and so forth. And you you you feel good. Ah, I could defend myself now, you know, I can bake different cakes now. Ah, as a matter of fact, I can start my own business here at home. I can start doing uh uh cookies, different kinds of cookies. I can buy the boxes like when you go to the pizza shop, they have all the boxes on the table. I can start doing that and close it, ch close it, and and start selling cookies and cakes online, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. Sometimes you may have your own definition of being happy in your head, and your partner doesn't even know what that definition or how to address it.
SPEAKER_00:And it comes out of the definition of being helped, yes, happy, yes, and it comes out when those situations happen, you see. So the thing about it is there's actually no excuse for anyone to sit and and and mope and grope and and do nothing. You know, you you can always do something that comes from within, you know, because we all have, I mean, we're also talented. Let me share this with you.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, years ago, I had that boy that I used to work with. So he called me once and said, B, do you have some time? I really need to talk. I need somebody to talk. And I said, Okay, you can call me. You know, I don't remember the time that I gave him to call me. Any call. And I said, What's going on? Because you sound very alarming. But I always knew that he was a married man. I didn't know that he was falling out until that day. And he said, This girl man is driving me crazy. And I'm like, Oh, uh, your wife, you know, sometimes she may be tired, she probably needs some help in the house. He said, No, that's not my wife. And I'm like, oh, wait a minute, then we're willing to talk. I need a dog on that side of uh relationship. I said, but if you want to have a conversation, you have to come clean and give me all the details. And he said, No, I'll give you some of the details. And I said, I don't want to be impolite to hang up on you. So, show la. And he said, Okay, I'll give you all the details. To make a long story short, so it's like the girl, despite knowing that he was a married man, you choose to be with a married man, but was complaining about him not having too much time to spend with her. She was complaining about him not making her happy.
SPEAKER_00:Oh boy.
SPEAKER_01:You know, so it was like a whole situation. I don't want to go into detail, but I wanna hear your point of view on that.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, the uh the thing about it is he had no right being in that extra relationship in the first place, you know, and and and that is what is giving him the uh problems, and and uh he should get out of out of that.
SPEAKER_01:I understand that as a pastor, I got that answer. But what about the person who knew that you were dealing with a married man but still wants that person to make you happy because he's not in a predicament where he can do certain things that she wants him to do. For instance, he cannot go into certain public places with her, which she would love to, okay, okay, you know. So it's like there are times she wants to travel, but he doesn't come up with the appropriate lies to tell his wife, his wife, you know, for him to go out. He should he it was unlike you know, to me, while he thought that he was having fun, I I felt that you know it was a stressful situation that he was dealing with, but on top of that, you are with somebody who's demanding for you to make her happy while you can the boy seems not even making happy.
SPEAKER_00:While he's married, you know, and he has to be going around the bush um uh and and sneaking, trying to to to to to make thinking of lies to tell the wife, and then on top of those lies, then you know, sneaking around the bush to go to try to make her happy, right? But there is no way that that can happen because what she is looking for, she is looking for him to divorce the wife and give her all his time, but he can't do that, even if he wanted to give her some time, he had to sneak and give her a little time, and she is really looking for a man uh to give her all the time she wants, so she is looking for a married man, but he is a married man already. She is looking for a man that she can marry and and have a married man for a husband, right? She's looking for a husband, she cannot be a husband because he's gonna be a husband to somebody else, and look at what he had to be doing sneaking around the bush, finding all the time, sometimes in cases like that, instead of going to work, they put in for a day off.
SPEAKER_01:But you know one thing, uh Dr. Graham, it's like I respect people's choices in life because I'm not gonna sit here behind the camera to dictate people on how to really live their lives. Right. But one thing that I want for people to be able to do, to mature enough to do, is to be able to take responsibility because you knew that you were getting involved with somebody who was married. So you know that it was like a game. At the end of the day, you get into that game to win, but not all the time that you can win. And when you got into that game, I'm pretty sure there was not a conversation, you know, about him leaving his wife. Even at the beginning, you may be told that there was a situation in the family that he was looking or she was looking, you know, to leave the household. But after a year or two here, you you keep hearing the same story, then you know she or he will never leave.
SPEAKER_00:You see, you see, you see, it goes right back to the basics. Right back to the basics. You got married, you have a wife, and we we mentioned that earlier on in the program. You stick with that one wife. If you decide, and this is for a lot of men who may see what I'm saying, or the women who would want to go and do the same thing, you cannot be married and and and and and and try to go wrong and meet somebody else around the corner. You understand? And you're going down the corner walking. There's so many eyes that are out there. Somebody have already seen you, and you don't even know that that they saw you. And who knows, probably the wife or the husband already know because he was already told that they see you walking with uh another person, or they saw you eating in a restaurant with another person, or they saw you coming out of the motel, right? Out of the motel with another person, there are too too many eyes for you to be going doing all that stuff. So back to basics, you have no right cheating on your spouse because it's not going to work, period. And the thing about it is with uh men who go and and cheat um on their wives and have these other uh little young girls um um um running behind them or running with them, you know, that woman expects one thing, she expects you to divorce your wife, and she expects you to come and marry her, right? Look, we we together, and if you could be coming, you know, um uh carousing with me, it means that you and really love your wife. So you got to divorce a wife and come and live with me, or else I'm gonna talk or I'm gonna make it very hard for you. So when you go and you put yourself in those types of situations, that is what happens eventually. Because today's society is every man for himself, everybody wants whatever they can get for themselves, they don't care about nobody else.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it is unfortunate, but that's the reality of society, that's the reality of life. Okay, so I have one question on divorce and adultery. How do you understand Jesus' teaching on divorce in Matthew 5 verse 32 and 19, verse 9, particularly regarding adultery and uh dissertion?
SPEAKER_00:To that, Matthew 5:32 says, Um, saving for the cause of fornication causeth her to commit adultery. But whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery also. So what that means is that if if if if you if you go and you leave your wife, or you cause your wife or your husband to leave you, and if they go and they get married to somebody else, they are committing adultery. Because one of the other spouse, whether male or female, is still married to that person, so you are committing adultery. Now, if if the other person is not married and you go and you come uh um committing adultery with them, that other person is fornicating. You see, but when you are married and you go having sex with others, you are committing adultery. So that just goes to tell us we cannot be doing that, that is not of the word, so and it's simple. There's no get getting around it, there's no trying to add or take away something from the fact of the word you're wrong, you're wrong. Okay, and that's according to the word.
SPEAKER_01:I'll leave it as such.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:My next question What role do you believe the church or Christian community should play in supporting marriages and preventing divorce?
SPEAKER_00:What role should um churches um um um play? Well, the thing about it is churches should always, you know, be steady on what God says about the Bible, about marriage and and divorce, and that is something that should also be taught in in the church. And like the first question, churches should always love people who are married, you know, they should always provide teachings for people who are married, they should always provide preventative tips within their teachings, within their programs, and so forth about divorce, you know, and also about fornication, you see, and they should always be preventative tips against fornication, but a lot of churches may not do that, but the thing about it is church should always provide knowledge for its members who are married, you see, because sometimes if their members really don't know much about the word of God, they run and they get divorced over every little thing, and then they think that it's okay to run and get married again, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because nowadays, so it's hard to find somebody to get married and stay for for at least five years in that marriage.
SPEAKER_00:In that marriage, it's it's it's very, very hard. And you see, what happened is that the enemy is deceiving a lot of people who are getting married because you know there's that old thing that our old parents used to, um, grandparents used to talk about, and they used to always say, the grass is not greener on the other side. And the grass looks green. You walk right up to that grass, and as you walk right up to that grass, you said, Hey, wait, it looks so greener nice from back there. But look at all these weeds inside the, you know, it's it's not perfect, it's not nice as it looked, you see. So the thing about it is uh churches should always have teachings about the grass is not greener on the other side. Don't go, even to the unmarried couples, don't go trying to jump into bed with another church member who is not married, you know? You can't do that, you will be fornicating, and you cannot do that.
SPEAKER_01:And and and if God forbid you get pregnant, and you get and you get pregnant, and that child, so it's like bringing that child onto the wall, dealing with that madness, you know, where this wife may not accept the presence, you know, of that child. The proper care will not be able to be provided to for the child, so it's it's it's it's complicated.
SPEAKER_00:Um, that um would not uh dedicate the child because you know they're two members of the church, and um the girl went and got um um pregnant, and he would not dedicate that child. That'd take somebody else to come in and dedicate that child, you know, and that same child, I watched that child um grow. And and and uh everybody used to say that child is going to be a pastor, you know. I mean, he was sung in the word. Uh, he he he he he wanted to preach, he wanted to, you know, you can see, you know, what uh from what he gave off. And this is why a lot of the elderly members used to turn and say, Oh, I love when he recites his poems and that that that that that that he is going to be a pastor, but the thing about it is the pastor of the church would not dedicate that child. You see, so so the thing about it is we have to have more of an understanding, we have to have more teachings, we have to have more slogans that are up, you know, to remind um couples about the longevity of marriage, you know, the the importance of the longevity of marriage, and and divorce is not something that you should ever go through. You see?
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so okay, um, I have two more questions, yes, but I wanna go to the negative impacts of divorce before I address those two questions. Divorce can lead to feeling of sadness, grief, anger, and anxiety, which can negatively impact mental health. Loss of identity and self-esteem.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:The end of a marriage can lead to loss of identity and self-esteem, particularly in individual sense of self-worth was closely tied to their relationships, increased stress and anxiety. Divorce can be stressful and anxiety-provoking experience, particularly when it comes to navigating legal and financial situations, impact on children. Divorce can also have a significant impact on children's mental health, leading to feeling insecurity, anxiety, and sadness, and in some cases, they may even end up taking their own lives.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. And the thing about it is divorce impacts very heavily on children. You see, and as children grow up with a mother and father, you know, when they go to school, right, and then the teacher asks, um, tell your father that he has to come and see me. That child don't want to say that um his father is gone, or his is his mother's gone, because the children are going to um laugh um at him. You know, he'll be treated like a second-class citizen. He doesn't have a father, you know, or he doesn't he doesn't have a mother, and things of that nature.
SPEAKER_01:So so things like that impact a lot on children, especially for young children, you know, used to have the power, the fathers to be taking them for school, you know, or going to uh like uh sport activities and to no longer have that father coming or be present, you know, the way that he used to be, then that can be a serious challenge.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, and the thing about it is a lot of people don't even realize this, but you know, when uh they have um um parent teachers conference, you always find either mothers there or grandmothers or aunts.
SPEAKER_01:No fathers.
SPEAKER_00:There, no fathers, right? And the thing about it is um grandmothers or or or sisters or aunts there with the child, and a lot of that is to that the mothers are nowhere there, the mothers are either in jail, you know, or the mothers um gone living with some other guy, um wherever. But the fathers, fathers, a lot of fathers are not even there, they just let the wives go, you know, to the parent teachers with their their mothers.
SPEAKER_01:That was gonna be my question or my point. I understand, you know, sometimes you may not be, you know, in the same household with that child, yeah, but that should not disengage you that's right into being a valuable asset into that child's life.
SPEAKER_00:That's right, that's right. Because I'll tell you something, um, a lot of stigmas are laid. And the thing about it is when teachers see only the mother is coming, they sometimes don't ask where's the father, but they treat the children differently. Who only has a mother, or not even a mother who has an aunt that or sister that is bringing what you are saying on experience because uh, you know, I I haven't done any research about it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yes, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:And and um, and and uh even school teachers who may be watching, who will watch this, um, will uh let you know that there's some, and I'm not saying all, but there are some teachers that will treat a child differently because that child does not have parents or does not have a mother and a father that come together, you know, to see about their child or to find out how the child is going or what did the child do for the last quarter, you know, how did that child do in his or her exams, you know, things of that nature. But when parents see the child, the signature is there, okay, and but when the child comes in, the mother and father walk in with that child, you know, oh boy, who a lot of respect goes towards the child, and when the child is in the class, sometimes the child could be uh uh treated differently.
SPEAKER_01:But you know one thing, so I applaud what you just mentioned, and I know it can be true, but at the same time, the two parents can be together, and they may never be able to go to a parent, teacher parent together.
SPEAKER_00:Of course. Well, we know how things go because a lot of times um I could not have made um uh going to a parent teacher's meeting um because I was at work, you know, and I couldn't leave work. Sometimes I had to leave work early to come and and and be there. So if I could not have been there this time, the next time I made sure that I was there. And and um because of making sure and taking time out to make sure that I was there, one of the times I I I went and you know the teacher um told us that our second son, he was very talkative in class and um things of that nature. Now, then again, sometimes mothers, oh not my son. I don't think so. You know, sometimes they're always ready to say not their child, but anyway, what happens is is that I decided to go unexpectedly. So I don't even think my wife knew that I was going. So I went to the school. And I had called the teacher from in my office at work. And I and I called and I told her, I said, listen, I'm calling you from Rikers Island. I'm calling you from my office. I just want to let you know that I want to come and visit the class. So she said, Okay, yes, yes, you can come. So I went to the school. And that one morning I reached the work late. And I said, That's it, that's quite okay. Whatever happens, happens. But I know I'll be going in late. But anyway, I went to the school. And I went to the classroom. And I did not just walk and go into the class. I walked and I stood. And when I did this, she saw me. And I said, So once I said she knew, then what I came through.
SPEAKER_01:You were here to investigate.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, to to to to come and look at my son. So I just crept up very easily and I looked in. And as I looked in, who did I see was my son? With the boy next to him. Now my son didn't even see me yet. So as as as as as he kept on, I just pushed myself forward a little. All the other children who were doing a little thing saw me pushing my head forward, and everybody stopped. And they did. And the whole class got quiet. So my son realized that the class is quiet. Nobody is, and he so I saw him look around, and then he saw the children looking at the door. So he raised and he looked. So I did not even call him out to talk to him or nothing. So all day he stayed in school. Do you remember I went in the morning? So all day he was in school. And I'm sure that did him more than me calling him out. And he stood there all day and waited till I come home then in the nighttime from work, right? To talk to him. So he didn't know what was going to happen. So just by doing that, and you know, I spoke to him. And the behavior, you know, I'm pretty sure will change because she doesn't know whenever you know. When would I come again and and catch him? So when he uh when I came home, that's something very powerful. Very just said, and I think you know, parents should have woolly. Yes, yes, yes, and parents should do that. And you don't have to go and make no big sort of noise at the school or come here, you know, and and and all kinds of stuff. No, not a word. And he stood, he went home, he stood all day, you know, he he all evening until I got there. When I got home, boy, I said, Matthew, come here, please. And he came down slow walk.
SPEAKER_01:Because he knows, like he knows in that voice, in that voice, there was power.
SPEAKER_00:He he knew he got caught. And the thing about it is with the mother, oh no, don't do that, and that and all that stuff. So he felt, he felt he he felt good. He felt, oh, well, you know, he gotta buy because mommy uh uh uh yeah. So I decided to to do that.
SPEAKER_01:Was you telling the viewers, it's like them was a balance between those two parents. Yes. If like if once is you know tend to be linear, both of them cannot be linear. No, we know some of one of them has to have that work paint.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, you're right, and and I did that, and he cut all that stuff out from his school because I called the teacher back to to double check, like um, you know, we must follow up with our clients, and I double-checked and the problem was solved.
SPEAKER_01:I'm glad that you did that. We have two more questions, and that will be it. My next question: how do you consider the culture context of biblical teaching on marriage and divorce when applying them to modern situations?
SPEAKER_00:Well, as I as I would always say, back to basics. You know, don't matter what happens, don't matter how how things may want to change, how people may want to make um right wrong and wrong right, back to the basics. Everything that we um uh spoke about, you know, everything that comes from the word stays the same. So even now as as as time goes by and um they're going to court um to say, well, you know, we can um uh uh before we could have only hold the cup um like this, but now we could we could hold the cup like this now and and and and and drink back to basics. This is how you hold the cup and and and and and drink, and this is how you you should drink.
SPEAKER_01:Don't get caught with the trying.
SPEAKER_00:Don't get caught up with with all the new things that they're trying to turn right into wrong and wrong, and wrong into right. Can't work. Stay to the basics, stick to the basics.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, you kind of answer the second questions as well. So uh leave it there. Yes, whoever meant Dr. Captain Graham Levinston, yes, yes, yes, no, it's chaplain.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, have mercy, man. A lot of work, a lot of work was put into it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh came on. So you have a a lot of hearts, and and many of them I didn't know for a year. I knew that you served for many years, and even time that you used to be on reserve, you know, you will you you know, you will sneak and go and do your duty as a veteran and uh as a soldier, as a soldier. I knew that you were very involved, you were a pastor, but the women title, yeah, the chaplain. Yeah, I didn't know about that. I didn't even know you had a doctorate in ministry, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, that's ministry and ministry and another doctorate in humanities.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, you have two doctorates, Jingui. Oh, okay. Let me tell you something. I had to invite you to the show to know a lot about you. What's the name of your church?
SPEAKER_00:New Hope Family Center. Oh, New Hope Family Center, yes, so Lavonia.
SPEAKER_01:I remember that you used to do a lot of uh traveling, like missionary of the house.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, I still do. Um, um, my brother and I, we just came back um from visiting uh Kenya, Tanzania, uh Uganda, and Rwanda. And we did a lot of preaching stints there at um churches and so forth. And um, you know, we also give of our own money to to causes with within the church, to people to to help build, uh, to help buy land, number one, and also to help build their churches, to start building the churches. But um, this year, um what the Lord had me do was to encourage the people and to encourage their churches to start um seeing for themselves and not depending on a handout. And what uh what that was about was about letting them know that they can start buying um pigs, they can start rearing um pigs, they're very easy to take care of, they make a lot of young ones, they can start selling these young ones in the market, start making money to help you know build their church and and to provide the financial assistance that they need. Um, also not only um pigs, but also rabbits. Rabbits you get just two, they just make a lot of young ones and and you can start selling. The rabbit meat is very expensive over there, you see? So you can um you can do that. Also, chickens. You see, you get uh uh uh two two chickens and a cock, and you you you you fence it around and you build a nice little house where they can go in and and and lay the eggs. Um, you know, they they do like what 10 to 12 chickens they make or whatever that case may be, and you have your little boxes in this um um kent house. Before you know it, uh, you know, they'll be getting a lot of eggs that they can package and and send to different stores and and and and they can just sell their chickens and and so forth. So they have that type of farming going on. You know, they can make a lot of money, you know, to be able to help their churches and to be able to help themselves financially.
SPEAKER_01:They yes, so that's really helping people create independence.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, that's right. So this is what I brought to them this year, you know, and I told them they don't have to look for handouts, but not only at the church, but I also spoke to the um people themselves. I said, if you have a little piece of land wherever you live, you can get the same thing and rare those animals right there, and and and the chickens and so forth, and you can then carry them to market and you can then make money um uh uh to help your own household financially. So I I I had to tell them after today, no man should go hungry in this church, and they sat there, they said, Oh because they have the resources, yes, they have the resources right there that they can do it, but they they they they didn't know, you know, they just sat and they stay poor and they they you know look for any handouts they can get and and and things of that nature. So, you know, with God's help uh uh and messaging, I had to open up that whole scale for them. So now they're saying, yes, yes, you know, and and a lot of the people were saying, Oh, yeah, I can do that by me, as you know, and so forth.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, they say it, but then that's a wonderful thing to be able to empower others, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00:So it was a great work, it was a great work that we ended up doing, you know. It's something you do annually, or yes, it's something that I I go annually and and um we preach. We have a lot of churches that are every year.
SPEAKER_01:You go to the same countries or you go to different countries?
SPEAKER_00:Well, we go to the countries that have the churches that are under our umbrellas. Oh, right, and we added Rwanda this year that we went to. So next year we may go to another um church that is added on um to the countries that we go to all the time because what happened is that you know they can't wait to see my brother and I when we come to visit. You know, so they welcome us as as we come, they treat us like kings. Um, I uh in Kenya we stayed at um uh Arthur Katanga. He is uh the archbishop of of uh he's well known in Africa and around the world. And what he told us this year that um we didn't even know, he said he prayed with and for over 43 presidents, you know, included um the guy from South Africa, included uh Nelson Mandela. You see, so so to stay at at uh a person's like that home, you know, and and and we sat and talked, and and as a matter of fact, he had a fireplace um in Kenya. So first time when we went by him, we found it very strange. But Kenya gets very, very cold at night, and in the morning that people have to wear sweaters. Uh oh and this is Africa, and we says, Well, but very, very cold it gets. So he has a fireplace where it keeps him warm when he goes to sit to watch his news and so forth. But he's a very great man, you know, and it was good to be able to sit with a man who one of the Kenyan presidents gave him land and all that stuff. So he's well known, and things of that nature. So these are these are the things that we we went through, and and and it's about bringing the word to the people, you know, and and and and um contributing money to help them and and so forth. So it's really great.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, that's wonderful, Dr. Grand. Words are not enough, you know, to thank you. Yes, because I remember when I called you and I said, I want you to be on the show, and this is the subject. I didn't even give you that much time. And you say, We can do that. Thank you for being here today. Thank you for the work you do. Thank you for the many souls that you taught. And you know, at the end of the day, your reward is not uh on this earth, it's in heaven. Your reward is not the way I'm gonna treat you, yes, yes, or other people will treat you. Your reward is not the value that people will put into your work, right? Your reward is up there, yes, yes, thank God doing the good job.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, thank God. Thank you, thank God, and I give everything to the Lord, and I remain humble as humble as they come.
SPEAKER_01:Amen. Of that said, it was with your doctor Beatrice Ippolid with your world.