Your world with Dr. Beatrice Hyppolite
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I am Dr. Marie Beatrice Hyppolite. I hold a doctorate in Health Science with emphasis on Global Health and master’s degree in social work. I have over 14 years of experience in the field of health and human services.
This podcast is primarily focused on mental health and the quality-of-life elements that affect it such as divorce, death, domestic violence, trauma, toxic relationships, and single parenthood to name a few. It is no secret that mental health challenges continue to profoundly impact modern society although not enough discussion is given due to stigma. Research has shown an increase of 25 % in mental health crises after COVID-19. It is important to have honest, uncomfortable conversations about mental health while being supportive. Although we are interdependent, change begins with the individual, hence “your world.”
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Your world with Dr. Beatrice Hyppolite
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Gain a profound understanding of narcissistic personality disorder as we welcome our esteemed guest, Ms. Debora Faustin, a seasoned Licensed social worker with over ten years of experience. Misconceptions about narcissism abound, yet we clarify the line between self-confidence and NPD. Ms. Faustin shares her expert insight into identifying key traits like grandiosity, arrogance, and an insatiable need for validation, vital for diagnosis. Together, we unpack the delicate balance between healthy self-assurance and the patterns of behavior that signify a disorder affecting all life facets.
Explore the often-misunderstood world of covert narcissism, which can appear as depression due to its subtle nature. Ms. Faustin explains how professional diagnosis is crucial to avoid hasty labels based on apparent toxic behaviors. We traverse the stages of NPD, from mild symptoms to severe impacts on relationships, bringing to light the differences between narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders. Through this, our goal is to enhance comprehension of these intricate personality disorders and their manifestations.
Social media and narcissistic behaviors intersect in fascinating ways. Our discussion delves into how platforms become arenas for those seeking admiration, impacting professional environments. We highlight the nuanced challenges of handling narcissistic traits in the workplace, particularly from those in leadership roles. By offering strategies for setting boundaries and addressing these traits, we aim to promote healthier organizational dynamics. Finally, we point to invaluable resources, from insightful books to online materials, empowering listeners to deepen their understanding of narcissism and its pervasive effects.
Hello everyone, I'm Dr Beatrice Ippolit, and this is your World. Today, we have with us a special guest. She's a social worker. She's been in the field for over 10 years and her name is Miss Deborah Fuston. Hello, hello, how are you? How are you doing, darling?
Speaker 2:I'm good.
Speaker 1:How are you so good? I was traffic, I was commute.
Speaker 2:It was okay. There was some traffic, but I couldn't understand why there was no accidents or anything but by the grace of God, I made it here.
Speaker 1:You know that I'm very delighted to have you today. I know you came from very far to make it, so it's a well appreciated moment for us, thank you. Thank you so much. Today we're gonna talk about something very particular, yes, something that you know. People tend to. They use the word, but I don't think too many people really know or understand the meaning of it. We're going to talk about narcissistic personality disorder. So you have the mic.
Speaker 2:Yes, hello everyone. So, yes, we're going to talk about narcissistic personality disorder. Oftentimes in today's world, you hear the word narcissism being thrown out all the time, right? Somebody does something we don't like. Oh, they're narcissistic. The definition of a person who has narcissistic personality disorder is someone who has, like, an elevated personality, right? So they're very grandiose in the way that they approach. It's always about them. They can be very arrogant. They do require some type of validation when it comes to the way they present themselves. It can be very manipulative, in a sort of way. And in addition to that, there are seven characteristics, and out of those characteristics, you have to actually meet five per the DSM-5, right?
Speaker 1:So you have to meet at least five, but it can be more as well.
Speaker 2:Correct, it definitely can be more characteristics. Now, the issue that comes with this is I just want to be clear that someone who portrays criteria may not necessarily be diagnosed with a disorder, may not necessarily be diagnosed with a disorder. This disorder often isn't diagnosed because one of the criteria and importance of it is that the person actually has to acknowledge that it's a problem and that it's affecting different areas in their life, so it has to affect their occupation, their other relationships or somewhere outside of just themselves. Right, it can't just be that the person is interacting in a certain way with one individual. It has to be with multiple. So this is the uh, the difference and the most.
Speaker 2:There must be a pattern, as well, there also has to be a pattern of behavior. It has to be consistent throughout, so it's not just a one day thing, a one month thing. This is literally consistently the way that the person presents, and a lot of the times they may not even actually know that they're presenting as such. That is ridiculous, isn't it?
Speaker 1:In that way. So what is the difference, then, between narcissistic and self-confidence?
Speaker 2:So with self-confidence, right? Someone can be very self-confident and not boast about it, right? So we can both be sitting here. We are both well-educated women. We're confident in who we are, but we're not boastful about it. We don't make it our duty to let everybody know hey, I'm Ms Faustina, I'm very confident in who I am and I don't have to talk about it every day, right?
Speaker 1:You kind of see it in my actions, and every time that you speak to somebody you have to flash your degree out Exactly, or you know.
Speaker 2:I've been a social worker you know for over 10 or what have you, so it's like you know.
Speaker 1:I have my license, I'm this, I'm that, but at the end of the day, so you, you, you don't. You tend to be very humble. God bless you with the privilege of having some higher education, but you understand it just, you know. For that, you use that education to better your life, to improve your life, but not to put others down Correct.
Speaker 2:So I'm not going to be exploitive of others because of the education that I have, right, I'm not going to utilize that self-confidence to seek validation from anybody. However, an individual who presents as narcissistic, they would be very boastful about it. So everything that they do, they have to let you know about it. They have to tell you hey, listen, look, I have this degree. Hey, listen, look my job, I make this salary. Hey, listen, look, look what I just did for this homeless person here. And they might actually even post about it all the time, because you know we're living in a time of social media, so everybody is always posting about things. Someone who may present as narcissistic does that. Look, girl, I just have a gin wagon, exactly exactly. And don't get us wrong, we're not saying that being boastful is wrong, but there are boundaries that come with it and someone who has narcissistic personality disorder doesn't necessarily see the boundaries. They don't see a necessity for it because they don't see a problem with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so exactly In order for you to necessity for it because they don't see a problem with it. Yeah, so exactly. Another for you to identify a problem as a problem, you have to know that it's a problem. If you don't know, you don't identify it as a problem. So you think that it's okay to just walk around and talk down to people you know mistreated others, you know be exploitive others. So it's like those are really some serious characteristic traits of the issue Correct and they also lack empathy, right.
Speaker 2:So they do it like you said and they just don't really care about it, or maybe they might have an ounce of remorse, but don't expect it to last too long.
Speaker 1:So if you were to list out, like the common traits so, what that will be, so the common traits?
Speaker 2:the first one is the grandiosity. So that's the main one that people tend to see. That's when the person is very boastful, that's where you know people kind of mix it up with self-confidence. There's that one. Lack of empathy is also a very big thing as well. Do not expect a person who has this personality disorder to have empathy for you when it comes to that emotional section or an emotional aspect of their life. Don't expect it. They're really not going to show any empathy at all. So you.
Speaker 2:Basically, you will see like they they present themselves as as in human, but sometimes it can come off that way, so the person on the receiving end it can very much come off that way where they might do something wrong that offends you and they just they don't see why you're offended by it, so they don't offer any apology or anything of the sort. Another commonality, too, is the sense of entitlement, right. So it's this idea that I deserve this, because, look at me, I'm a great person, I have this degree, I deserve this level of job, and oftentimes that is partnered with not being able to accept criticism. So there's that commonality. And then also, too, the other thing that oftentimes people overlook but it is common is the need for validation and praise, and they feed off of that, they strive off of that. Without that, that can almost affect the way that that individual functions in their day to day.
Speaker 1:And the exploitative mentality towards that tends.
Speaker 2:It's a major component toward that issue correct, so they can often be expletive to other people. So, um, because there's also a rage component that comes with, uh, this personality disorder as well, but it's just constantly just being treating people unfairly, talking down about people, um, because for them they are the great and there is no other better and you know one thing.
Speaker 1:So it's like some people may think that, oh, you know what? It's not too many people, you know. I understand it's a personality disorder, but not too many people suffer from that disorder. But you'll be surprised our research indicated that 6.2 percent of the population suffer with narcissistic personality disorder. So it's very serious. It is very and, and you know, for whatever reason. So it's more prevalent in men compared to women.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, which is interesting, sorry, men, but unfortunately I do. I do believe that that may be due to societal norms. Society does not necessarily preach for men to be emotional, to be vulnerable, to show remorse, right, you're supposed to kind of have this tough, mean demeanor and so, with that, sometimes you learn this behavior from childhood, right, because this is a personality disorder that can be learned from your environment.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you know, while you mentioned that, so it's like, you know, many times we see, let's say, for example, if a boy let's just picture a three years old boy you know, you know, took a fall, they will quickly say you're a boy, just get up, correct, you know?
Speaker 1:so, yeah, yeah brush it off, stop crying, boys don't cry, boys don't cry, you don't have feelings, you don't have emotions. But if it is a three years old girl, oh come, mommy, gonna let me blow on it for you, so that will pass, so and they will love it. So that's, I totally agree with you. So it's like the way society portray men. You know that can play a major role into them. You know, exhibiting or implemented that behavior correct, and a lot of the times.
Speaker 2:to individuals who meet these criterias, this behavior has been beneficial to them throughout their lifetime, right, so them being grandiose is because it worked for them. They were able to gain something that they wanted, and so they've continued to adapt to that behavior and utilize it to their advantage, but it's also to the disadvantage of others.
Speaker 1:So what is a covert of that behavior?
Speaker 2:So, the covert. Just so everybody understands. Covert just means that it's very underneath the surface, so when it's covert it's not always in your face. So when someone is showing the covert narcissism or narcissistic personality disorder, they will be the type of individual, for example, who would say oh you know what? I got an A on that test today, but I don't think mom would really notice. Test today, but I don't think mom would really notice. They kind of say things that are very underlying to something that really they want praise for, but they say a statement following that would almost confuse the other individual who's receiving it. So that's more covert. And a lot of the times when individuals show covert signs of this personality disorder, it can be misconstrued as depression. Now, that's not to say that two of those disorders cannot coexist, because they can coexist. However, when you peel back and you know persons if they choose to be, like in therapy or things of that nature and you start to get to the root of things, you start to identify that, oh, this is actually a sign of covert.
Speaker 1:And I can see where the coexistence of those two depression and this personality and personality disorder can happen, because people with personality disorder, so they tend to lack praise. They like to be praised, they like to be noticed, they like to be validated at all time. So it's like so when they don't have that environment, they don't have people around them to praise them, to validate the way they expected them to do, so they can fall into a serious stage of depression. Correct? You know that's, you know so it's. It's a serious problem. So, except the only issue people tend to say you know, oh, so-and-so has a, you know as a oh, he's narcissistic. But you know that's not the role of anybody. You know, not anybody have the right or the authority to diagnose somebody Correct, unless you're a licensed professional.
Speaker 2:And that's why it's interesting, because this word, especially within the last, I would say, five years, is so common, and it's not to say that an individual may not exhibit narcissistic traits. You may have that, um, and it is very toxic, because now we're in a society that correlates toxic behavior to narcissism. Um, and it's not always the case. The person could just be a jerk, you know, and there's no diagnosis for that right, so you always have to be mindful.
Speaker 1:Let the professionals and sometimes Jets like to be. You know, they just like to be Jets, that's just them.
Speaker 2:You know, and you can't fault people for being who they are and who they present to be, but an individual who seriously suffers from this disorder would see that it affects other areas of their lives. It isn't just going to be that I don't like you and I'm going to exploit you today and OK, that's just it. No, that doesn't necessarily mean that the person has a personality disorder. You may think they do because you're on the receiving end and you can't make sense of it. I mean, it's very difficult to navigate but nonetheless, no, you got to. Sometimes the person just is who they are and we have to accept them as such.
Speaker 1:Ms Foster. So, like many other mental health issues or personality disorder, there are stages to them. So what are they? So it's the same for narcissistic personality disorder.
Speaker 2:So with narcissistic personality disorder. There are stages. So sometimes a person could show like mild cases of it right, where they they show a few symptoms here and there. They might still be functioning and in that aspect a professional would then have to determine is this the right diagnosis for you? And then you can go from like mild to severe, where it's literally your life is going downhill.
Speaker 2:At this point you have no ability to maintain any relationships in your life. It actually affects your work, which can then affect your livelihood, because if you can't maintain a job due to these behaviors, that can create long-term situations for you. I would almost say too that it can affect your health in one way, shape or the other as well. So, yeah, there are different stages of it. Very difficult to tell where someone is and a lot of the times the person may not even acknowledge or know that they have it unless there's an onset issue that occurs. May not even acknowledge or know that they have it unless there's an onset issue that occurs. So, for example, if the person loses their job right, that is a very big life-changing event that can then lead the individual to seeing that okay, I'm showing these traits, or the people around them notice that once this person lost their job, the onset of the criterias are starting to show more.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I've heard people saying anybody who is a narcissist can be also antisocial.
Speaker 2:They often do say that and sometimes that personality disorder can be misconstrued for antisocial personality disorder. They can tend to isolate right because of their behavior. It causes them to not be able to maintain relationships so they may isolate. Um, the isolation could also be because they want attention, so they kind of isolate so that people will gravitate to them and and reinforce whatever they're feeling or going through at that time.
Speaker 1:But another thing that I want to point out. So in order to be diagnosed as antisocial, you have to be, at the age of 8 or 12, diagnosed with conduct disorder. So it's like you know, no, no, nobody, any under age cannot be diagnosed with antisocial behavior. But if you were diagnosed by the age of 8 or 12 with, you know, conduct disorder, by the time you're 18, that's when they can actually diagnose you with antisocial behavior. Yes, so it's like those are the things that you know. So we really want people to understand, because it's like sometimes, you know, we may feel comfortable just throwing water out there, but you know, everything has to fall in place.
Speaker 2:Correct and it has to make sense. I will always tell everyone. If you do have someone that you feel is exhibiting some of these criterias, have them meet with a professional if they're willing. If they're not, you cannot force them, because the person has to be willing.
Speaker 1:My next question, ms Foster force them because the person has to be willing. My next question, Ms Foster nowadays, you know, social media, you know, play a major role in everything. In everything, social media, you know, we can say if we want to take that liberty, it's like it's taking a toll on our kids. So what role does social media play in two narcissistics?
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness. Well, it almost is like the gateway that allows you to be grandiose, right, you can just post all day, every day. And I think there's also so many misconceptions about narcissism on social media, um, that just you, I can't even begin to explain it. Social media it's not a negative thing, depending on how you use it, um, but for someone with a personality disorder as this one, you can almost bet that social media will be like a playground for them. Right, they will post everything and anything, and it's because social media is only giving you a snapshot, right, of what's going on in that person's life.
Speaker 2:So there may be an individual who they want to throw a gala, right to raise money for, let's say, breast cancer awareness, right October, just um, so they want to raise awareness for that instead of them just raising funds. They do the gala because they want to get the praise and the admiration and the validation for it. And so now you go post it on social media and everybody's like, wow, you look, this was amazing event. And and they just, it just continues to build on.
Speaker 2:Literally it's not about the cause it's about you, it was always about you, and it's sad because you would hope that the person really does want to help, because part of them may want to actually help. However, the way they go about it, it all comes back to just them.
Speaker 1:Would you say. There is a lot of ego too in those who suffer with narcissistic personality disorder.
Speaker 2:I would say so Very, very high ego, I would even say super ego at this point and it just becomes unhealthy, right, because it's affecting the way the person is functioning, it's affecting the way that people see them and it's just, it's tough. That's what makes personality disorders so difficult, even when it comes to treating them. It makes it so difficult because there isn't just one thing that you can provide and say, okay, and this is it. It's not one form of therapy, there's not one medication that you can provide. So it's very, very difficult because you have to meet the person where they're at.
Speaker 1:We don't know which version we'll get on whatever day, so the language situation or cases like that. So then, when will be the best time you know to set the boundaries?
Speaker 2:Oh see, boundaries. I think the minute as an individual who might be dealing with someone who exhibits these criterias, you have to know when enough is enough for you, right? So that varies. There is no one-fit-all response when it comes to how to set the boundaries. I think the individual has to know when they've kind of reached a point where enough is enough. And I need to set certain boundaries when it comes to this individual, to not reinforce, to not feed into the ego, to not feed into the exploitive behavior, to not feed into the admiration all the time it it takes. Time though it's, it's an ongoing process.
Speaker 1:it has to be addressed on a base-by-case situation Correct.
Speaker 2:Because, I would say, each individual who presents with this personality disorder. There's not one way. You know, someone can be very grandiose and another person is very exploitive, or, you know, the degree of the symptoms that they present can vary. However, that's why you have to, you know, do it on a case by case basis, based on what you're exhibiting. You set the boundaries that meet that and then from there. Once you set boundaries, though if the person violates those boundaries you have to make clear cut consequences for that, whatever that may be. If it's a relationship, it could be that I'm stepping aside from the relationship, but that may not be as easy. If it's like a marriage of some sort, if it's an employer, that person might have to face a suspension or a write-up, or even as far as a termination, depending on how severe the situation is.
Speaker 1:And what about if it is a supervisor?
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, I'm very glad you said that. So you know, unfortunately, in different careers, a lot of the times leadership will exhibit some of these traits. Right, and I guess it comes with the title per se. You exhibit sometimes a leader who just always wants to take credit for everything. Even though it wasn't their idea, they'll take credit. They might exploit people on their way because their goal may be to get to the next level, right, so they might have to kind of talk bad about some people along their way. They want to seek the validation because the validation will get them to their next goal of being able to push up. So that is very tough If you're dealing with a or keep that other person.
Speaker 2:You know, in a position because they see, yes, that's a threat to you.
Speaker 1:So it's like hey, you know. So it's more like a competition instead of working as a team.
Speaker 2:Correct. So it is very difficult when you're working with a supervisor like that, and it's not always true that they had. They may not have the personality disorder to say, but they may just have some of the traits. So if you do have a supervisor like that, I would first try to address it with them in the most professional way. Address it with them in the most professional way because with someone who exhibits these criterias, um, kind of telling them about themselves, if I should say like that, may lead to them being defensive, right, and so you end up hitting a wall because you're not going to get anywhere. You're telling the individual this is how you're receiving the information that they're giving you, or, however, you know your day-to-day interactions with them and for them, they don't see it at that.
Speaker 2:Now, if that person doesn't see it as that, how, where does this conversation go? Right, you kind of hit a wall. Yeah, it doesn't go anywhere. So at some point, what tends to happen is, if the conversation doesn't work, then you just would have to utilize whatever's available to you, whether it's going up a chain of command, whether it's you utilize a cares or some type of employee services that may be there that may be able to assist you, but you definitely need to address it because that can create a toxic work environment for sure, there is always a way to have issues solved.
Speaker 2:Correct, correct. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, correct.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So my next question is like sometimes, you know, they say oh, this person is the way she is, is the way he is, he or she will never change. You think people?
Speaker 2:with a narcissistic personality disorder can change. I actually do believe that an individual who exhibits this disorder can change. As we said, you know, multiple times, the person has to be willing, right, we cannot force anybody to acknowledge that they have any type of problem. So if the person is willing and able and wants to put in the work, I actually do believe that change can happen. I really do, and I think it would be important. It would create a healthy environment for the individual. They would actually be able to live a more fulfilled life, fulfilling life than what they may see as fulfilling.
Speaker 1:And few of the traits you know they like. Basically, learn behaviors, yes, so any behavior that we know. You know that was learned, so if you work hard around it you definitely can change it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But, again and again, you have to have the willingness to address it in order for it to change. So let's say, for example so if I'm a type of person who tend to talk down to people, it's a running behavior. It's not something that I was born like that. But hey, I have to get to a point where, hey, beatrice, when you talk that way to people, so it kind of like that's attacking their emotional behavior. You know so, and you cannot at all time try to put people down. Correct, it's not right, it's not fair, and you have to change that. So, in order for me to change that, I have to see it as a power, correct, you know, and that's sometimes that's the hardest part. That is the hardest part Because when we are the one doing it, you know, and that's the biggest issue, when we are the one doing it, it's not a problem, right? So it's only when somebody else is doing it we quick to point fingers at Exactly you know, so it's exactly it's.
Speaker 1:It's it's difficult. You also address the way that you know this behavior can be exhibited in the workplace. So my next question now so we address all the negative aspect of it, is there any positive aspect of that personality disorder?
Speaker 2:So I actually think there is right. So I would say, like, for someone who wants to go into politics or wants to get into a career where you kind of have to sell yourself and convince people to maybe make a decision of some sort, this having some of these traits will benefit you, right? So in politics, being grandiose, I have to talk about me all the time. I need to convince you as a voter why you should vote for me, right? So everything I will discuss will come come off as very grandiose, or I might have to talk some negative points about my opponent because, at this point so, you are the one who knows, who knows it all exactly, and that's why I'm trying to convince my voters, so I think you would probably see it a lot more in politics.
Speaker 2:Um, even a salesperson, I need to convince you to get this car right. My goal is I need a sale, so I'm going to convince you to get this car right. My goal is I need a sale, so I'm going to convince you that I'm the person other than everybody else who might be here.
Speaker 1:I'm the person for the job, but with all due respect though. So it's like you're gonna still gonna respect my choices. Oh, you know what? So the one that you have available is a black one or a blue one, but I am seeking to buy a white one. True, but I still might convince you as much that you want to sell your car, but you still have to have respect for my choice, because my favorite color, or my preference, is to have a white car, not a blue one or a black one. Correct, so it's like you know. So I think you know. So we have to know how to play along with it, not to not to come out as being disrespectful.
Speaker 2:Correct, and that's what we want to make sure we do Right. Everybody wants to feel respected and sometimes the difficulty with this disorder is that the person on the receiving end doesn't feel respected Right, Especially when it comes to their feelings, that lack of empathy. If I'm expressing my feelings and I'm being vulnerable and the individual is just not caring about it, that's very hurtful right to me as the person who's trying to express myself. So that's all it comes down to Be respectful when you treat people around you as such.
Speaker 1:does that, have you know, have an impact on your children? Because, as parents, we are all mothers, or we're supposed to be all mothers.
Speaker 2:So I would say so right. I would say that it does affect the children, because children, when they first learn, is by seeing right, so they will imitate behavior. So if we're saying that a lot of this behavior is learned, then yes, it will affect your children. They would see it in the household, they would see it perhaps outside of the household, they may imitate it, thinking that there's nothing wrong with it, and that can potentially grow into. You know that individual becoming an adult that we present with narcissistic personality disorder.
Speaker 1:Is this disorder, can you know? Can also be genetic.
Speaker 2:I would say partly yes, yes, yes, yes, because if there's a history of it in the family, it doesn't necessarily mean that you will definitely have it. However, I do believe that there is a genetic component to it as well, absolutely okay, absolutely that's very important.
Speaker 1:So I think now we're gonna wrap up, so what's your last thought on that?
Speaker 2:um. So my last thoughts about this is um, anyone who might be dealing or thinks that they're dealing with someone who might have this personality disorder. It is very difficult. I empathize with you. See if you can get that individual help if they're willing. If they are not willing, I think it's important for you as an individual to know what your boundaries are. And it is okay. If it's like a romantic relationship, it is okay to walk away. If it's a romantic relationship, it is okay to walk away. If it's a work relationship, it is okay to walk away, because sometimes the person who's dealing with it may feel bad for making a decision that benefits them, but in the long run, your mental health is important, right, and can be affected by this, this. So, yes, you may love the individual, you may love your line of work, but if the situation no longer serves you sometimes it's okay to walk away okay, so like many other personality disorders, so they have treatment available for them.
Speaker 1:Is there any treatment available for narcissistic disorder personality? There are.
Speaker 2:So there's different forms of therapy that an individual can take. So there's cognitive behavioral therapy, there's psychodynamic therapy and just all other sorts of therapy as well. There are some medications. A lot of the times you'll see individuals might be given antidepressants for it, because that that can help kind of calm some of the symptoms. But yeah, you just have to work with your whoever's your provider, your treatment provider, work with them to see what's the best treatment option for you yeah, because it's like you know the same as many others.
Speaker 1:They are levels. You know toy. So it depends off you know so, whether that you know you're dealing with it on a mild or severe or moderate level. So, based on that, so your health care provider or your psychiatrist whomever that you may have as the professional provider, will know exactly which way to guide you. So, basically, so it's based on what you just shared with us.
Speaker 1:So it's not narcissistic personality disorders, though there are some negative effect or impact about it, but there are also some positive impact about it. So it's okay to love myself. It's okay, you know, to embrace myself, because at the end of the day, if I talk about myself, you know like somebody hey, I love Beatrice. You know so, because if I don't love Beatrice, nobody else will. And even if somebody or everybody will try to love Beatrice, but if Beatrice doesn't love herself, she will not embrace or will not know how to appreciate the love coming from others. So it's okay to love yourself, it's okay to accomplish things in life, because that's what life is about. So we have to fight, we have to work, we have to make sure that you know. So, hey, we gravitate to the higher and higher, but at the same time be considerate yes.
Speaker 1:Don't let it be at the expense of others consider it, yes, don't let it be at the expense of others. So, before we leave. So is there any resources that you want?
Speaker 2:to share with us. So I know there's several books. There's a lot of people that have books out in regards to narcissism. If you go on YouTube, there's a lot of psychologists who talk about this because this is such a big topic. So we have the Narcissist you Know by Joseph Bergo. We have Rethinking Narcissism by Craig Malkin. These are our books that you guys can look into. The National Institute of Mental Health you can go on their website and look up more information and just do a lot of research for yourself. Use this as a guide, right, but then do your own research and yourself, get some books and even maybe get a book for someone you may know and also when you look at the video on YouTube or whom whomever may be listening or watching it.
Speaker 1:I know those who are listening cannot address, you know, the resources that Ms Poston just shared with you, but I'm also going to attach that into the comment section for those who didn't have a chance to write it down, or what have you. So again, it was a pleasure to have you, darling. Thank you, looking beautiful as always.
Speaker 2:Thank you, ma''am. I learned from you, you know, and you don't have a narcissistic personality.
Speaker 1:On that note I'll let you go. It was with you, dr. Beatrice, with your world.